SPEAKER_01
And then we were like, all right, fine deals. Like that's, you know, this business is so freaking hard. Let's try this.

SPEAKER_03
And in the end, I don't think it ever ended up working. But you got the customers and that's the point of the episode.

SPEAKER_02
Yeah, exactly. The subsequent failure is irrelevant, OK? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00
I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. Put my all in it like no days off on a road.

SPEAKER_03
Let's try. All right, we're live. Sean, we're going to do a Q&A session today.

We got a bunch of questions. I have a feeling we're going to spend most of the time on one question. But the question is, how did you get your first 100 customers in your businesses and what are the best ways that you've heard of? So I'll ask you, Sean.

But I personally have grown, I think, five things to a million to 10 million in revenue. I've grown one thing to well north of 10 million in revenue, multi-million dollars per month. I've grown a bunch of stuff to thousands of users.

I've grown a bunch of stuff to hundreds of thousands. And I've grown one thing to millions. And we'll go through examples.

And you've done the same. How many did Bebo have or Blab?

SPEAKER_01
Blab had like 4 million users. Yeah, basically, we've done this a bunch of different times and a bunch of different ways. And so when we get this question, how did you get your first 100 customers? I actually really like this question.

This is a very different question than like, what's your advice? It's like, forget the advice. Let me tell you literally what I did when it comes to how we grew our businesses at the very, very start. Because if you're at the start, it doesn't matter what somebody did to get to 10 million in revenue.

What matters is how they got to $10 in revenue. How did they get the ball going? How did they get the initial momentum? Because if you don't do that by definition, you don't really get to step two unless you've done step one.

SPEAKER_03
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SPEAKER_01
And so this is the step one of so, and I thought it'd be fun if we take our own, just all the different projects that we've done and just try to label the method that we use to go and get those first 100 customers that got the ball rolling. Do you want to go back and forth?

SPEAKER_03
Yeah, let's trade off. All right, so the first thing that I grew, I'm actually not going to talk about it a lot because I didn't realize it, but I was breaking the law. But I had an e-commerce store, and I originally got my first 100 customers by posting in forums.

But I'm not going to mention that.

SPEAKER_01
Statute of limitations. By the way, is that a real thing, the statute of limitations? Is there a real thing? Maybe we need producer Ari to let us know. By the way, show her in her sweater.

Fantastic sweater. OK, it's not a thing. All right, so correct.

Do not tell people what you were doing. I thought after 10 years, everything's forgiven.

SPEAKER_03
No, I'm not going to mention that. But all right, my first business was called Bunk. It was my first actual startup out of college.

It was called Bunk. It was a roommate matching app. It was Tinder for roommates, which I always say was stupid.

We should have done Tinder for Tinder because this was right when Tinder came out. It was swiping, clicking yes or no. But before it became an app, we actually just had a website that was built on Weebly.

We probably did 50,000 in sales in a handful of months, something like that. And what we used to do is in San Francisco, it's mostly transient people. So people like me and Sean, who moved there without knowing too many people, and you want to rent a one-bedroom apartment, but you can't afford a one-bedroom apartment.

And so instead, there's a four-bedroom apartment where there's one room left, and you apply to move in there. What a lot of people don't know is back then, and I don't know if it's this way now, but back then, literally 100 people would apply for that one bedroom. So the way that we got users is we went and found people who had landlords who had four-bedroom apartments and three-bedroom apartments.

And we said, hey, we're going to host an event. It's not going to be a party. It was a party.

It's going to be an event at your three- and four-bedroom apartment. And we're going to have a bunch of perspective tenants there, and they're going to team up and get their own place. So let's say that it was a four-bedroom place for 4,000.

We would create individual ads for a one-bedroom at $1,000. And back then, on Craigslist, you could use HTML and create these beautiful images of what the apartments looked like. And it said, this is Bunk SF.

We help people, match people. This is a one-bedroom and a four-bedroom, but we're going to help you team up. And we would get like 10,000 users a week coming to our Bunk SF.

com website. And that's how I got our first bit of users was through Craigslist. And the point being, the takeaway, by the way, is we already knew the seekers were there.

And so it was just a piggyback where people already were.

SPEAKER_01
So the smart part there is using Craigslist because Craigslist already had a lot of search volume, basically. Instead of SEO, you use, basically, CEO. So I go to Craigslist and use that traffic.

But then, hosting the event, what did you do in these events, by the way? Was there anything special you did? Or how did you get people to? Did you have to make it marketable? Or did you just make it normal? Because I know for the hustle, you had these great little events that you use called Pizza and Forties, where you would invite a speaker to an event, but you would tape 240 ounce beers to their hands. And the rule, this is genius, by the way. This is so good.

I remember when you did this, I was like, that guy Sam is cool. I want to be friends with him.

SPEAKER_03
Literally, I had that thought. And then I tried to compare to him. I didn't even drink, by the way.

At this point, I didn't even drink. But the day of the game was, Pizza and Forties, because we didn't have a lot of money, so we'll supply Costco pizza and we'll have beer. And the speaker has to have a 40 ounce beer.

And the interview is done when the 40 ounce beer is done.

SPEAKER_01
Right, right. It's like a TED talk, but instead of 18 minutes, it was however long it takes them to finish the beer. If he wants to get off the stage, chug baby chug.

SPEAKER_03
And you'd get a little bit more loosey-goosey with the questions towards the tail end.

SPEAKER_01
Totally set the vibe. That was genius. So that one was marketable.

Did you have to do that for the apartment thing? Or was it as simple as saying, hey, come check out this

SPEAKER_03
apartment? We would get hundreds of applicants for a four bedroom. And we just emailed them. And we are very transparent.

And the ad had said, this is not a one bedroom. It's a one bedroom and a four bedroom. But what we're doing is we're going to host a party with 50 people.

Here's the types of people who are coming, show up at this time. And then they would team up and get a place. And once they got a place, the landlord would tell us it came from us.

And we would take money from both the user and the landlord. And yeah, we were just really transparent about it. And I would literally ride my bike at the time to the house and be like, knock, knock.

I'm giving you $100, please. Or $300 or however much it was. And that's how we made money.

No, it was very easy. But now you can't do this. Craigslist has changed how they operate.

But this, by the way, is exactly how Airbnb got popular. All right, what's yours?

SPEAKER_01
All right, I'm going to give you my first business as well. So this is I'm 21 years old. We are starting a sushi restaurant chain.

And I'm living in Denver. And the way our thing worked, it was like a cloud kitchen. So it was because we didn't want to sign a 10-year lease and build out a physical location and have to go raise $500,000, we had a mentor who was like, what if you did a delivery-only method? And you rented a commissary kitchen by the hour.

I remember we were paying $19 an hour instead of having to. So the contrast was we were about to sign a 10-year lease with a personal guarantee and drop about $300 to $500,000 to build it out, or for $19 an hour, we could start Monday.

SPEAKER_03
And I was like, wow. You're 15 years in the future. I mean, you nailed it.

SPEAKER_01
Yeah, we were too early, but still. How do we get customers? Back then, DoorDash, UberEats didn't exist. So where are we going to get customers for our delivery-only restaurant? I didn't know any better.

Knowing what I know now, I probably would have just run ads, local ads, maybe Facebook ads, Google ads, something like that for people looking for sushi. But I didn't know that at the time. And ignorance is a bit of a superpower.

So the ignorance led us to our planning meeting was like 12 minutes long. It was like, we need customers. So hey, we got the kitchen now.

Like, we need customers. Hey, I don't know. Walk around and ask people.

So what I did was I went downtown, and I did a version of Door2Door. But instead of Door2Door, I did floor-to-floor. So I went into a skyscraper because I wanted density.

So I was like, oh, let me just go to this big office building. There's thousands of people working in this one building. So I don't have to walk around all day.

I could just go in the elevator, click 1, get out, talk to whoever I see, click 2, get out, talk to whoever I see. And I'll go up 30 or 40 flights in this building. And what I realized when I was doing this was it's kind of amazing.

I actually recommend this to pretty much anyone, which is when you have a new thing, you have all these ideas about why it's so great. But you haven't actually pitched it to somebody in a concise way, where you have, I don't know, 30 seconds to a minute to get your foot in the door. There may be another minute to explain what your thing is.

And then you got to make a call to action and try to get them to buy. And my pitch really sucked. But because I was floor-to-floor, it was like high intensity.

SPEAKER_03
By floor 20. By floor 20, though.

SPEAKER_01
It was solid. I knew. And so what I realized was, OK, you go in, you can't just bother people in an office.

You have to find the front desk lady. Her job is to greet a visitor. So I said, OK, that's the accessible person.

She also had a lot of clout. And so I learned about basically a local influencer. So when people think about influencers, they think it's got to be a celebrity.

But actually, in any pocket of people, there is somebody who is more influential than the rest, any tribe of people. And in an office, that's always the person at the front desk. It's the office manager, the secretary, whatever you want to call it.

And so I would go to this kind of office manager, and I would say, oh, so hey, do you guys ever do kick? So instead of saying, hey, would you like to eat some sushi? It's like, no, I don't just eat sushi from strangers. I realized pretty quickly, that was my first pitch. By floor two, I was like, all right, I'm not saying that again.

So floor three and four, I realized, OK, I should actually ask them, do you guys ever do office catering for lunches or whatever for the group? And they would say yes. So I asked a question. I had a very simple answer, a yes or no answer.

If it was no, then I knew, don't waste my time on this prospect. They're not going to order. But if it was yes, now I had one person who might order 50 lunches in one order, like they would order bulk.

And so I would ask them, hey, do you ever order? Do you guys ever do catering for office lunches, maybe a birthday or a big meeting or just every Wednesday? And they were like, yeah, we do it every Wednesday. And I'd be like, awesome. I said, when you order, where do you typically order from? Oh, we always do the sandwich place, blah, blah, blah.

I said, awesome. If you ever wanted to try something new, we actually just opened up a restaurant. I would love to do a deal with you guys, or we actually do it for free one time.

So I created an offer. I was like, I'd love to bring you a sample tray, just for you. And you can invite a couple of people in the office to try it out.

If you don't like it, we'll leave a menu with you guys. If you don't like it, no problem, we'll come back and clean it up. And I created an offer.

I created an opening question, and I ended up getting my pitch right. And this one thing, we were profitable month one. I remember we made like 13 grand in the first month.

And at the time, everybody said, restaurants, you don't make any money. And we were like, we're doing it. We're making money.

This is fantastic. And so this floor-to-floor sales and understanding, who is the gatekeeper? Who is the person I need to get on board? And what is the sort of risk-free offer that I can offer them? And that was where we got our first customers.

SPEAKER_03
How much revenue were you doing in the year six? Or not year six, month six?

SPEAKER_01
Year six, zero, dude. We quit in month three. Because what we realized was, we were like, all right, we were making, I don't know, tens of thousands a month.

So I think we were doing like maybe 30,000 the first month and a little bit more the second month. And then by then it was like, dude, we were so worn out of the, just the process of running a restaurant. And we kind of had a realization.

It's like, great, we can keep scaling this, but that means we're going to have to keep doing this. And it was, we were waking up at four in the morning, going to the fish market, staying there till 11 at night because we would do private caterings at night and doing dishes and then at night. We didn't know anything.

It was so stupid. I didn't realize you should hire people.

SPEAKER_03
We just did everything. You were like, looking at your partners one day after work and you're like, bail? And they're like, bail. Like, we're out.

SPEAKER_01
We had a realization. We realized we were in the wrong business. We realized, actually, the genius of this was the delivery part.

People actually liked food delivery, but they only ate sushi every couple of weeks, max. And so we were like, oh, you know what we should do? We've been telling everyone for a year, we're going to create the next, you know, this Chipotle of sushi. Actually, what we should do is just deliver whatever the hell they actually want.

They want sandwiches, dude. They want burritos. So we should just deliver that.

That's the business, not the sushi part. And then we were like, all right, I think that's true. Do we want to do that? I was like, and you know, we had the smart thing, which was, hey guys, maybe the first business idea we ever had in our lives might not be the best one.

And we're still young. We haven't committed anything to anybody. What if we just switched to a better, to a different business altogether? And I'm so glad we had that conversation because most of the time, if something's working, you're making a little bit of money and you've been telling everyone for a year, you just feel like you need to stay consistent with it.

And that would have been a terrible decision for us.

SPEAKER_03
That's hilarious. All right, I'll tell you another one. So I'll skip the book club one, but I'll mention it briefly.

I had a book club, theantinba.com. And that's how I met Sieva. I met Ryan Hoover this way.

Some of my best friends, dude, I just put another ad on Craigslist and I said, I'm gonna organizing a business book club. And it was just from Craigslist. And I ended up getting 10,000 people signing up to my email list.

SPEAKER_01
By the way, sorry, can we name these methods? I will call the first one you did, either like piggybacking, because you piggybacked off Craigslist or like a hosted event, maybe that was the method you did. For mine, it was literally door to door. And it's like, don't underestimate the fact that you can just by brute force, hand to hand combat, go get 100 customers that way.

It'll only take you a few days to do that. And this third one you're talking about the book club, recall it like the magnet. It is something different to it because it wasn't just an event.

Because what you did was you found a bunch of like-minded people, because it was a filter. The only people who wanna do a book club for like biographies and business books are gonna be the type of business nerds that you wanted to be around and create a product for. And so like the selective filter where for 95% of people, they're gonna be like, hell no, but 5% there, it's a hell yes, because it's like so niche to their obsessions.

And I think that there's something smart there that's different than just hosting a general event.

SPEAKER_03
The learnings, by the way, for a book club, no one reads the book except me. I was the only one who read the book. I was just like teaching the book.

All right, everyone, really quick. So a few years ago, I hosted this event called HustleCon. And I got to hang out with one of the speakers.

His name's Tom Billu, and he sat down and he told me about how he built his business from zero to a multi-billion dollar exit in like four or five years. And it blew my mind. And what was even more impressive was he had some ideas on like strategy on business, but also strategy on life.

And he just had a great attitude, and it really impacted me. And Tom actually has a podcast called Impact Theory where he dives deep into different entrepreneurs who have built really big businesses, who have written amazing books, authors that I read all the time, folks like Tony Robbins, Simon Sinek, Tim Ferriss. He goes super deep into their stories.

He extracts wisdom and strategies, have shaped their extraordinary lives. And also he gives his intel and his opinion on what they're doing. And it's a really fascinating podcast.

It's called Impact Theory by Tom Billu. You can find it on Apple, Spotify, or whatever you get your podcasts. Check it out.

All right, I'll do the second one though. All right, so Bunk was acquired for a very small sum, and we ended up turning it into an app called Roommates. What called this methodology made to stick, I guess, because I learned this, one of the books that we read at my book club was called Made to Stick.

It was by Dan and Chip Heath, I think. They're experts on like, morality. And there was something in the book where it talked about, I forget exactly the phrase, but my takeaway was that phrase that I always say, niches make riches.

And the idea being, if you ever see one of these Buzzfeed articles, and it'll be like 50 ways, 50 reasons why, or 50 things only long Islanders will laugh at. Or 50 things, you know, you're an Italian American. Or 50 ways, you know, you're from St.

Louis. And the thing about those is, they don't get a huge amount of traffic, but the people in Long Island, or St. Louis, or Italian, they will always click it.

And so the click rate is through the roof. And so we didn't have a budget when we launched the app Roommates. And so what we did was I stole that learning, and I created, we launched in LA, Chicago, Boston, New York, San Francisco, five or six cities.

And so what we did was we made an infographic where we called it the typical roommates of San Francisco, the typical roommates of LA. And I had never even been to LA or New York or Boston. I'd never even been there.

And what we did was each image of the infographic, it was 18 people, I think, or 15 people. And it said, here's the people from the Marina, which is a neighborhood in San Francisco. Here's a typical roommate from the Mission, which is the hipster area of San Francisco.

And in each thing, we said, where do they shop? And we named eight or four different places that they would shop. Where do they eat? What's a funny quote they would say? And I would read Yelp, and I would find out, in let's say New York, what is the most reviewed restaurant on Yelp in that area? And are people making jokes and saying that it's overhyped or whatever? And which stores are the most popular? And then what we did, we made those infographics and we shared them out on Facebook and Twitter and I think Instagram, I don't even remember where. And we tagged those restaurants and those stores.

And most people were like, oh, this is so funny. They totally know us, which we just stole it from Yelp, all the jokes. And they ended up sharing it.

And we got something like 100,000 users just from that infographic, just from those five infographics. And if you Google, you guys can Google typical roommates of LA and you'll see Huffington Post or all the local newspapers of those regions shared it. And that's how we got all of our initial customers from those four or five infographics.

SPEAKER_01
I remember seeing that. I remember seeing the San Francisco one. It was really funny.

It would be like, you're making it sound almost like it was like, like utilitarian, but it was actually humorous, I thought. It was funny. It was funny.

It would be like the Marina, and then it'd be like whatever. I don't remember exactly how you phrased it, but it would be like, Kelsey is blah, blah, blah. And you would kind of like make fun of them, but also backhanded compliment them.

And then you would say like, the upside, you'll always have Lou Lemon around the house, the downside, blah, blah, blah. And you would like kind of poke fun at them. And because of that, everybody shared it.

Because for their own neighborhood, they'd be like, that's so true. That's so true. That's so us.

Oh my god, this is you. And then for others that they didn't like the other neighborhoods, same thing. It was like kind of like our team versus their team.

And so a lot of people shared this thing. I was living in San Francisco at the time. I remember seeing that right when I actually moved there.

And I was like, this is actually quite, it was useful. Because it's not info you really found anywhere else either. Like most of us wouldn't say this.

SPEAKER_03
The real take. So here's an example. This is Wrigleyville in Chicago.

I've never even been there. But it's an image of a bro-y looking guy who, I guess, went to Indiana University, and he's wearing a cub shirt. It said, average one bedroom rent, average two bedroom rent.

Here's how much you would save if you had a roommate. And it says $310 per month or 20 Merkel's fish bowls, which I guess is like a restaurant in that area. Or it would say avoids Pilsen and Andersonville.

So it creates like the tribe thing. Those are other neighborhoods. Occupation, a PE teacher, or a weekend bartender at Deuses.

You'll probably find them at Wrigleyville Rooftops crushing old styles or doing 17 shots of fireball. Secret spot, the back bar of the stretch, trying to get the waitress to play, find the water, or calling everyone boss. Shit they say.

Hey, bro, want a shot ski? So things like that where we would make fun of people. But you'll notice we name as many brands as possible. The name of the game was thrown as many brands as possible.

And those are the people who share. And that is how we got. I forget exactly how many users we had, but I remember I got paid on how many swipes people did.

And they were swiping millions and millions and millions of times. So that's how we got traffic and users to the app roommates.

SPEAKER_01
All right, I'm going to tell you I'm going in order here. So my next business was a biotech business in Australia. That go to Australia.

Now biotech is a very like, we're talking about like scrappy startup stories. How do you get someone to download an app? How do you get somebody to order food? Biotech is like science.

SPEAKER_03
You just go to an alley and you're like, hey, man, here's a needle. Do you want to try?

SPEAKER_01
Well, it wasn't like human body biotech. It was basically energy, clean energy. So the idea was our technology was there's coal that's underground.

And people think coal is real dirty, because if you mine it, you bring it up to the surface, and you burn it, yes, it is very bad for the environment. However, our technology was this thing where you don't have to mine it. So you don't have to bring it out of the ground, and you don't have to burn it.

Instead, what you do is you pump little microbes into the ground, little naturally occurring microbes. And their natural feeding is basically they eat the coal, they basically decompose the coal. Essentially, it's like they eat coal and they fart out natural gas.

So their natural metabolism of it will release natural gas, which then bubbles back up to your pipe in the surface. And boom, you have a flare of natural gas.

SPEAKER_03
Was this like a company? Like a big company?

SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it was a company. It was a startup company. So basically, the backstory was this guy in the United States and the scientists in the United States had gotten $40 million of government funding to develop microbes that would decompose ammunition.

Because the government had, there's wars all around the world, and part of the environmental cleanup they had to do as part of the wars was they needed something that would decompose a lot of the ammunition and the waste product of the wars. And so what happened was somebody realized, the guy who the CEO of our company realized, hey, ammunition actually has a very similar composition of coal, I wonder if these bugs could decompose coal. And so, but it was speculative.

And we didn't know if it would work. It worked in the lab, will it work in the field? Now, what are you gonna do here to get your first customers, right? To get a customer, you need somebody that has, owns like land that has coal, you have to have permits, they have to let you like go do shit on their land. How is this gonna happen? It's like so much friction.

So what we did was what I'll call the method of the no risk offer. So what we did was we would go to, we said, who needs this the most? And we said, well, it can't be somebody that actually values their coal. Cause we're gonna go and we don't have the money to go buy this coal, like we can't buy the land from them.

Like if you own land with a bunch of, you know, coal, that's basically like fuel, like that's very valuable property. So we said, we need to go to people that have stranded coal, meaning they have coal that mining it would be uneconomic. It'd be too deep, it'd be too gnarly the way the ground structure is.

So there is coal, but like it's not good for mining. And so we got really tight on basically finding somebody for whom this was excess capacity. And I think they are like Airbnb, that's what they did, right? They sold excess rooms, extra space in your house.

So we had took that same method. We said, how do we make a no risk offer? So we went to them and we said, look, you're sitting on a bunch of coal. What's that?

SPEAKER_03
Like who's an example?

SPEAKER_01
Like the landowner, we would find, we would do a geographic, we looked at the geographic survey, we would find where the stranded coal was meaning coal, that's not economic to be mined. Then we would go figure out from the property records, who owns that? We would go knock on their door, we say, did you know you're sitting on a bunch of coal? And they'd be like, yeah, but like you can't really mine it. We did a feasibility study, it didn't work.

And we would say, great, what if I told you there was a way that you could make this many dollars per square foot without mining the coal? Yeah, I'm interested, okay, tell me more. And we said, well, look, we have this technology, but obviously we need to prove it. It'll only take us this much space and here's the deal.

We will do this all at our cost to do this whole method, cost you nothing, but if it works, we wanna share of the upside. And they were like, okay, so you might make my land way more valuable and I only pay you if you do it. And if it doesn't work, I'm out nothing, deal.

And I'll throw in a tray of sushi. Exactly, and so we were able to do this. Now this is something that, this is also how Alex Pomose did his gym launch thing.

If you listen to his story, what he would do is he'd go to the gym owners, he'd say, you know, I have a marketing program. They're like, yeah, I don't wanna buy it. We tried a bunch of marketing things that I don't have, I don't have enough money, money anyways to go do this.

I'm not gonna buy your marketing program for $10,000. So he reworked his offer and he was like, how about this? If I don't increase, I will increase your sales by $100,000 using my marketing method. And all I say is that anything, any of the incremental revenue we bring in, we get to keep whatever, 15%.

I'm like, okay, so you keep 15%, but like, you don't get anything if you don't raise my revenue? It's like, yeah, if we don't raise your revenue by X, we get nothing. Yeah, no brainer. Hormose did it or no brainer offer.

Main Street did the same thing really fast in the tech startup community by saying, hey, there's R&D tax credits available, we will do it for you. We keep 20% or 25% of all the extra tax credits you get. You're not gonna do this anyways.

So it's just free money for you. And so a lot of people use this no risk offer method. And I think that's a very, very fast way to bypass one of the hardest parts if you're a new company, which is you have no relationships, nobody trusts you, you have no track record.

So you need to offer them something that has like zero downside and only upside. How many customers did you get doing that? Well, ironically, what ended up happening was we had like five interested customers. And then one of them was like, hey, hey, hey, if you're gonna do this, I want to own this technology.

Like if you, basically, don't go to my competitors with this offer, like they're gonna, then they're gonna have this benefit. I want this. And so then they came back later and they renegotiated the deal and they said, how about this, we'll give you $5 million and the land and we'll do the permitting for you.

But, and then we're like, okay, what's the catch? And they're like, the catch is if this works, we wanna be able to buy 50% of the technology for $50 million. And then we were like, all right, fine deals. Like that's, this business is so freaking hard.

Like let's try this. And in the end, I don't think it ever ended up working or I'm not sure what actually happened because I left after that deal was signed.

SPEAKER_03
I was like, okay, I'm gonna stick here. Turns out microbiomes, microbiomes don't even like charcoal. So turns out they didn't even work.

SPEAKER_01
No, they didn't even work in the lab. But it's like, I think it would turn out to be kind of expensive. Or what actually happened is this field trial was gonna take five years to do.

I wasn't gonna sit around and wait to the conclusion of this. And so I think what happened was like the guy who said yes, got fired or took another job. The next guy who came in was like, ah, I don't know, I don't want to fund this.

And I have no idea what happened. It kind of died on the vine.

SPEAKER_03
But you got the customers and that's the point of the episode.

SPEAKER_02
Yeah, we got it. Exactly. The subsequent failure is irrelevant, okay?

SPEAKER_03
Yeah, that doesn't matter. All right, my next one. So I started a conference series called HustleCon.

I ended up hosting this event maybe four or five times. The first time I hosted it, I decided to host it in May. And I think the event happened in July.

July one or July 15th, but I had roughly six weeks between deciding to do it and it happening. And I think I made 60 grand in revenue and I think 50,000 in profit. The next year, I think it was something like 180 grand in revenue and my costs were only 20 grand.

So whatever that is, that's what I made. And then I did it again. And I think I made like a quarter of a million in revenue and like 200,000 in profit.

And then we hosted a bunch more events. Pete did like 600K, right? Yeah, it made each event was doing like a couple of times we got close to a million. And I made a ton of mistakes.

The biggest mistake I made is I made it like a Ted event, not like a trade show. Had I made it like a trade show, I probably could have made tens of millions per event, but I just didn't know what I was doing. And I also charged like $300 to attend this event.

So I screwed up the business, but I did get a lot of hype right away. And the way that I got hype was, I actually found one of my old posts. This one is on priceonomics.

So this guy, Rohan, he had a blog called priceonomics. And at the time, they were like the best bloggers out there. He was such a good blogger and he would go viral all the time.

So he was gonna give a talk on content marketing. And what I would do is I think I had eight speakers. I wrote a blog post every Tuesday and Thursday on each speaker and I would go to hacker news and I would go to Reddit and I would figure out which subreddits would this article fit best in? And then later on, in my second thing, I'm gonna talk about after you go is I ended up eventually writing blog posts specifically that would get popular in Reddit or on Reddit in different like subreddits.

But at this point, I hadn't figured that out. And so right away, I think on the first day of business, I think I got a thousand people to come to the website. And then after that, it would go to like 1,000 to 5,000 on any given day.

And you would go to the website and it would say a funny pop up that I would get your attention and I would say, give me your email. And the hustlecon.com, you couldn't even purchase a ticket unless you gave me your email.

You couldn't even see all of the details. And so I would get people's email and I would subsequently like the way I had it set up was I would write blog post number one, put it on Reddit, blog post number two, put it on Reddit. The traffic comes, I collect their email.

When I get their email, they go into a cycle where they get sent blog post number one, then they get blog post number two. And then I would keep writing blog post number three, number four, number five, and I would keep emailing it to the past people. So it was like cycle.

And those people would share just a little bit. And that's how I eventually got two, three, four, five thousand people coming to the website. And I did another thing where I made this speaker look like a hero.

So it was like a glowing article about them and they would share it within their company and each employee would share it to be proud. And that's how I got two, three, four, five thousand people. And I think the email list, if you Google HustleConnevblogs, my friend, Neville Madora, Nevnevblog, he wrote a blog post about how I made 60 grand in like six weeks.

And I list all the blog posts and emails that I sent. And that's originally how we got our first, I think 10,000 email subscribers. He's just doing that blogging.

And when I say we, I mean me in my kitchen, just like doing this in my crappy San Francisco apartment.

SPEAKER_01
That's, yeah, that's great. I remember reading those blog posts. They're really good.

I highly suggest you go read those. They're detailed and specific. And you literally have screenshots of what you wrote in certain emails.

And I think that's really cool to go see. I like when people share those specifics. Oh, do you hear that? Do you hear that? That's no.

Dude, that's the, that's the thrill of the show.

SPEAKER_03
Oh. I thought we had a pause. I thought we had a pause.

Like, wait, what? All right, you've got 90 seconds to, to the thrill me. All right.

SPEAKER_01
For those of you who don't remember the thrill of the show is where we show the thing. But the way we do it is with value. We do it with, we, we by, we by entertaining you with a little bit of story.

So I was going to talk to you about Shepherd, but the way I did it was I asked Marshall, I go, yo, when you launched this thing, because this is now a business that is coming up on, like, I guess I really should say, but millions of dollars a profit a year. So a very, very, very healthy business.

SPEAKER_03
How old are they? Four years?

SPEAKER_01
Yeah. Like less than four years old. So in less than four years getting to, you know, basically eight figures in profit, profit, not revenue profit.

So anyways, I was like, hey dude, I'm doing this episode about how you got your first hundred customers. What did you do for, for Shepherd? And he goes, he goes, well, I did a couple of things, but he's like, what I did was I, he linked me to the tweet. So he did three, like three or four steps in a row.

So tweet one, I'll show this on the screen. He just goes, I'm launching a new business tomorrow. And then did the sign emoji.

And then he said, hint, it's an agency. And he had a small Twitter following, about 10,000 followers at the time. Not like a huge mega influencer, but enough.

And that, that post itself has 350 likes. So that post itself probably got a bunch of people being curious, going in and out. And then what he did next, he's like, I'm going to explain it on my newsletter.

So he goes to the newsletter and he writes this post. And he goes, today I'm launching this new business. But let me tell you a story.

And he goes, a few years ago, my business is struggling. Here's why. So he does what I call the personal story tactic, which is instead of pitching the solution that you've made, you pitch the problem that you had.

And you tell a personal story where you reveal some information, you do some vulnerability, and hopefully other people resonate with the problem that you had. So he goes, my business was doing good. And he's like, but I, or he's like, I had this business.

It was kind of struggling. I was working all the time, but we never really had any profits. I realized I always thought I could solve the problem with growth.

And then finally one day I was like, maybe I should try to lower my cost. I didn't really know what to do. So I looked for where could I lower my cost.

He goes, I heard about a guy who had hired somebody in the Philippines for less than $1,000 a month. Meanwhile, I was paying somebody $5,000 for the same service. So I did it.

I did another one. Here's a picture of me and the Philippines. We went out and met them because I was so amazed at how this worked.

He goes, and so then that became my secret weapon. I was hiring overseas. And so now all of a sudden I went from profit margin of zero to profit margin of whatever, 15%.

And that made the difference between the business sucking to the business being good. So I started doing this for a few friends just for fun. Finally decided I'm going to make a business called supportchepper.

com to help you find amazing employees that are 80% less than the US equivalent. He goes, blah, blah, blah. Then he sent me the screenshot.

We could show this on the screen. So this news that it went to 12,000 people, it had an 11% click rate, which is the power of a story versus an ad.

SPEAKER_03
And so normally an ad would get like a 1% to 3% click rate.

SPEAKER_01
Exactly. So it's 10 times better. Why is it 10 times better? Because again, he kind of opened up the kimono and told the story.

So to supportchepper.com, it says 1,300 people clicked that link. And then that's where he got, you can even assume, even like a 3% conversion on 1,300 people is going to get you whatever.

You're out of math, but let's say your first 20, 30 customers to get the ball rolling. And for a business like this, where each customer's worth thousands of dollars, that was enough to really actually move the needle. And then what he did was he just kept doing the same thing.

And so if you want to hire people, go to Shepherd. That's really the show. But I actually like this method a lot.

I remember that Ryan Hoover did this amazingly with Product Hunt also. I remember him doing this. So he did the hand-to-hand combat, where every morning, he would go to Phil's Coffee in San Francisco at like 5 or 6 in the morning.

And for the first three hours of the day, all he would do would be reply to people's tweets. So anytime somebody said something about Product Hunt, he would reply personally. Anytime somebody mentioned a cool product, he would be like, that's awesome.

Do you want to post that on Product Hunt? I gave you access. And he would manually brute force do this in the morning. But then he would go and he would go to Fast Company and say, hey, do you want to cover Product Hunt? And they're like, I never heard of it.

No. So he's like, damn, I really want to get pressed, but I can't. They don't want to talk about Product Hunt.

It's not sexy enough. So then instead, what he did was he would go to Fast Company and he would say, hey, I signed up 1,000 customers for my side project in a weekend. Can I tell you how we did it? And I wrote this blog post.

It's already written in this Google Doc. Will you guys run this as a guest post? And then if you go, look, Product Hunt has a bunch of posts that he wrote. And so it was like, he would get to 100 customers.

Then he would write the post of how he got to 100 customers, get that posted somewhere on Indie Hackers or whatever. That would get him to 1,000. Then he would go write the post of how I got to 1,000 because he's like the generically interesting story.

People aren't that interested in Product Hunt, but they are interested in how a guy can bootstrap his side hustle to 1,000 customers in a week. And he did the work for them. And he did the work for them.

And so again, it was a no-brainer offer to basically say, hey, it's written. Do you want to run this or should I go? I like Fast Company. You guys should run this.

If not, I guess I'll go ask somebody else. And that method I saw was something somebody else did that worked really well.

SPEAKER_03
All right, solid thrill of the show. Good job. You forgot the call to action.

Joinchefra.com. Supportchefra.com. Supportchefra.com. So you may know this, but my beginning in business was being a copywriter. I mean, it just basically means figuring out what motivates someone and how to use the written word to take an action, get them to take an action, or to think a certain way.

And the way that I learned how to copyright was I did this thing called copy work. And copy work is this famous technique that's not really popular anymore, but it used to be really, really popular. And you basically take writing that is great, writing that you love, and you write it out by hand, and you copy it, and you make notes of what particular thing that that writer is doing that makes it special.

That's how I learned how to write. I locked myself in a room for six months, and I just did this for many hours a day. I created a program to make it easy, so you can do that.

It's called copy that. Copy that.com. You can go there, and you can check it out. It's a 10-day exercise to make it really easy to learn how to write.

If you want, you can just go do this on your own. You can find great writing. You just literally copy it by hand.

I know it sounds crazy, but it works really effectively. But I made something that makes it a little bit easier. So check it out.

Copy that.com. And back to the pod. All right, what's your next one?

SPEAKER_01
OK, so my next one I call pissing in the pond. And pissing in the pond is as good of a method as it sounds like. So what you want to do, like you said, it sounds like a horrible method.

There's riches and niches. Similarly, what you want to do is not try to boil the ocean, bad phrase. You want to piss in the pond.

OK, so boiling the ocean is when you go try to get the mass market to care about what you're doing. It doesn't really work. What you want to do is say, all right, I'm small anyways.

To me, when I have no customers, 10 customers is a big win. 100 customers is a phenomenal win. And so where can I go that is small but hyper obsessed? And so what we did when we launched our e-commerce brand was we knew that there were Facebook groups dedicated to literally comparing products in our niche.

These weren't big. There were maybe 5,000 people total. And this is like in Facebook.

And I was like, that's kind of a small, overall Facebook group. And what we would do is we'd go there and we would do the Marshall thing. Just like he did with Shepherd, we would go tell our story, which was why we started this brand.

So instead of saying buy our product, we would say, hey, y'all, I wanted to share my story. The ups and downs that's gone over the last six months, trying to launch a brand that does this. And then we would share, like, here were some of the ups we had.

Here were some of the downs we had when we got screwed or we got scammed or we were so naive. And people really started rooting for us. And you can get people to root for you.

And so that's how we, for my e-com biz, we did, I think, 30,000 in month one in revenue, about, I think, 28,000 specifically. And our ad spend was only maybe 500 or 1,000. So we did try ads.

But most of the revenue that first month came from this group. And this was really good because who those 100 customers are actually matters. And if you can get 100 of the hyper-obsessed people of a niche to actually give a shit about you and know about you, they are the ones who spread the word.

They're the ones that other people look to for recommendations. And so it's actually quite valuable to go piss in that pond. And so you go to that group.

And the way you do it that's acceptable, where you're making the water warmer, not uncomfortable, is you tell a story of the ups and the downs you've had trying to build something cool in this space. Why you started, what worked for you, what didn't work for you, some of the big mistakes you made. And people will then root for you because you're the underdog.

Now, let me give you another example of this. So I can't believe we even did this business. I'm embarrassed to even say this is a business I was doing.

But in our idea lab, we had a hackathon. And in the hackathon, our DevOps guy was like, hey, I built this app. It's like a four square was hot at the time.

This is way back in the day. He's like, it's four square for beers. And he's like, basically, every time you drink a beer, watch this.

You scan the label. And it checks in that beer. And it keeps track of all the different beers you've drank.

And then everybody starts laughing. And we're like, that's awesome, man. That's cool.

You know, beer? Who doesn't love beer? And so we were kind of like, maybe there's a thing here. And actually, to this day, actually, there is a business called Untap that does this. And there's a version of this for wine.

We were just the wrong people to start this business. Similar to the sushi business, I made the same mistake again. Which was.

You didn't even drink beer, do you? The guy who, well, I drink beer. But I'm not like a craft beer aficionado, guy who loves to go try new craft beers. I'm just like drinking it.

SPEAKER_03
And you're like, ah, I guess a Miller Lite. This is beautiful. Like I didn't finish.

SPEAKER_01
I did a brewery pour once. And the guy was like, smell these hops. And I was like, no, thanks.

I don't.

SPEAKER_03
Yeah, because of French fries.

SPEAKER_01
Exactly. I was like, can I just drink it? I don't care about all this. So anyways, we had this app called Beer Hunt.

OK, so how do you do it? There was a craft beer. So it was like, where do you get? Again, if you go to the mass market, mass market is like me. They don't care about beer enough to care about this product.

But instead, there was a craft beer tasting festival or something like that in San Francisco. We went there and we tried to make a splash. This is also what I'll call the Booth Babes method.

It's how do you actually make a splash at an event? And so we weren't hosting this when we were attending. And so we dressed up like it was October Fest. We dressed up like in our leader halls and whatever.

We wore outfits. Like we were straight from Germany. And we came and we created.

We were like, people probably won't just download our app if we say download our app. So how do we get you when you did this? 23, 24. And so we.

But, you know, our whole company was older, but we're all there. And they were there down for it, which I liked. You know, like our engineers are doing this.

And so what we did was we created a scavenger hunt for the conference. We were like, hey, here's a little card. If you can mark off all these things at this conference, we're going to give one person like, you know, the like whatever, some beer dream.

It was like, you know, you're going to get a year supply of craft beer. And it was like, it didn't even matter what the prize was. The idea was like, people are going to wander around this place.

Anyways, they were happy to play the game of like marking things off as they went. So we had our branded little scavenger hunt. They would do it.

And at the end, we would have a guy standing at the door. He would collect them. He would give them out and he would collect them.

And on it, they had their email address. And so now we had basically, I think we had 1400 leads or something from the states. 1400 leads of people who are so into craft beer that they will go to this craft beer, like paid money to go to this craft beer tasting festival type thing.

And so then that those became the first, you know, whatever, 700 customers, 700 people to download our app and they really gave a share. And so that that really cranked the engine to get something started.

SPEAKER_03
Seeing you at a 23 year old, you at a like fancy brewery. It reminded me of a time, one time I told Neville, I go, Neville, I've never been to a strip club or somehow it came up and he was like, I'm going to take you right now. And I was like, I don't really want to go to a strip club.

He's like, well, you have your flight at 5 p.m. There's a strip club near the airport in Texas. It's two o'clock.

Let's go. And I don't drink. So like it's even worse.

And we go out to this strip club and I'm so uncomfortable on rubbing my hands. I don't know what to do with my hands. And I've like and like these shippers come up and like touch my shoulders and they're like, hey, can I get you anything? And I was like, yeah, can I get some ketchup for these fries? Like the waitress.

Yeah. Like the food was only six dollars. It was one dollar for fries.

Five dollars was saved. I remember texting my wife, I'm like, do I? How much do I tip? Because I kind of took up a seat, but I didn't do anything. Yeah, it was the most uncomfortable that I've ever been.

It's like the first and only time I've ever been to a strip club was two o'clock at the airport in Austin, a strip club. And that just kind of one time I went to strip club.

SPEAKER_01
It's an incredible story. So I've been one time in my life, you know, maybe 22 years old, something like that. And we go and it's me.

People know me, so I don't need to describe me, but it's my buddy who's like the ladies man, this guy like was the big man on campus. He, you know, like your dorm has like an RA. He like hooked up with the RA's girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02
And it's like that guy's a senior refreshment.

SPEAKER_01
Wow, this guy is amazing. And so we go with this guy. He's the man.

And then we go with our other buddy who was like Mr. Long Term Relationship. So he's been in a relationship forever and never met, never known this guy, not in a relationship, but he had just broken up.

And so we go to a strip club because, you know, like in Vegas, they're like, hey, boys, you want some free drink? Get in this limo. We're like, oh, wow, what's the case? We drive you like 30 minutes away to a strip club in there. And now you're here and you have two free drink coupons that you can go redeem at the bar.

So me and the ladies man, we don't know what to do. None of us have ever been to strip clubs. So we go to the bar again.

What do I I'm uncomfortable? Let me just like find a safety net. It's like, let's go get a drink. Yeah, yeah, drink, drink, drink.

That's a good idea. And we go and then we turn to look for our friend, Mr. Long, Mr.

Always Wifed Up. And he's not only not with us, he is holding hands with the stripper going into the back room. And I'm like, it's been less than like two minutes.

You got that. We're like, what are you doing? And so we had several questions. One, I can't put like, why is he doing this so fast? And number two, why is he going to the back room? Isn't that like for like the the high tier stuff? Like, why is he just sitting here and watching the the stripper? And three, most importantly, was why did he pick her? Because he had just objectively, completely scientifically, the least attractive stripper in the place.

And so 15 minutes go by, he comes back out and we're like, I have a thousand questions. What happens in the back room? How much does it cost? Do you have to tip on top of the cost? I have so many logistical questions. But most importantly, why'd you pick her, man? You could have picked anyone here.

And he goes, oh, you can pick? Pick? He goes, oh, he goes, I thought it's like Harry Potter. The one chooses the wizard. And to this day, the line, the one chooses the wizard is like, etched in my soul.

And it just applies to any situation.

SPEAKER_03
And neither of us have been to a strip club since. Since never been again. It's safe.

Can't top that. All right, I'll do one last one. Trends, trends.

co, we're going to go from shipper to what? The SAS.

SPEAKER_02
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03
I hope people have made it this far. Trends.co was a paid research newsletter that I launched when we sold it 18 months after launching it.

I think it was doing four or 500,000 a month in sales. I think we have 20,000 users or so. And it was great, whatever.

I screwed up a bunch of stuff with that, but we got some results. And the way that we got results is we started and I did this, like I was a little skunk project. And if you actually see the link, I listed my original Gumroad project.

I made a Gumroad page and I think it was like 400 words of me just writing like a story explaining. So basically the story was like in 1996, Jeff Bezos saw this amazing stat, which was that the internet was growing at 2,300%. Nothing grows that fast, Bezos said, unless it's an apetite disc.

And immediately then he knew that he had to start an internet company that sold something. And so that was how it started. And then I said, Hey, everyone, I'm Sam.

I invest in a lot of companies or I have this company called the Hustle and I'm able to see a lot of interesting things. Next quarter, I'm launching this product called Trends where I'm going to break down interesting companies and explain how they works and hopefully identify a handful of trends as shocking as this Bezos one that he found. So you're going to be able to catch the tide of wave instead of miss it.

I'm going to charge $300 a year for this. But right now you just spend a hundred bucks and you get a lifetime of access. And so I got originally I got a thousand or two thousand people to sign up for this.

And I'll explain how. But before we even launched this whole project, I ran Facebook ads against this gumroad page and it made $60,000 in pre-sales. And the way that I got the initial hundred users is the Hustle at the time probably had a million emails.

And I just found the 300 engaged users and I sent them an email that basically explained the story and linked to the gumroad page. And then what I did was I actually got on the phone with all 100 of them and I asked them, why'd you do this? What are you looking for? What are your expectations? And then I went and made the first report based off of like some of their insights and what they wanted. And then what we did was people would sign up to the hustle and afterwards they would see a page that says, thank you, by the way, we have something coming soon and it would link to this gumroad page.

Now that's a little bit. If you're listening to this and you don't have an audience, you're like, oh, what the fuck? That's not really actionable. But I had to share this is how we built like, I think it was 400.

I think it was 400 or 500,000 by month 18. And so it worked and we built the product around just calling those people.

SPEAKER_01
Yeah. That's like, you had a launch pad. You had an audience that you had built for years and then you were able to do this.

And I wouldn't recommend doing that just to launch a product. But if you don't really know what product you want to launch, it's not a bad idea to, to build a launch pad along the way.

SPEAKER_03
So just to recap, I did the same thing with Hampton and I would DM people on Twitter. And you could say, I have an audience. So it helps.

I didn't use my audience, but I did use my reputation. So some people had known me. So I, but I cold emailed people on LinkedIn and I called people on Twitter.

So if you want to do this methodology, you could still do it that way.

SPEAKER_01
Yeah. And we didn't mention a couple of the obvious ones. So ads, we kind of loosely mentioned it, cold outreach.

There's a bunch of traditional methods to, to try to do this. We told you what we did, which was partly because we were young and dumb and we didn't know any better. We didn't know that you could just, I didn't know you could just run ads or just do cold emails.

I would go door to door instead. Um, but also, you know, some of it's in the specifics. So for example, for milk road, I had an audience.

So I had a newsletter, I had this podcast and I could have just mentioned it, but I layered on another tactic, which is what I call the David Blaine method. And, you know, David Blaine will do this shit where he's like,

SPEAKER_03
I'm going to freeze myself for a week.

SPEAKER_01
Yeah. Watch me, you know, slightly torture myself and try to do something incredible. And it's like, all right, he's like, I'm going to freeze myself in a block of ice.

I'm going to bury myself underground.

SPEAKER_03
I'm going to hold my breath until I pass out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01
I'm going to, he literally did one where he's like, I'm going to hold on to these balloons and fly away. Okay. And he did it. He like flew away like the movie up.

And so he, um, David Blaine does this stuff. So when we started the milk road, I was like, okay, if, I think if I told people that, Hey, I'm starting a daily newsletter about crypto for people that want to read, um, you know, the latest kind of news and info on crypto, I think people would sign up. But I wanted to like juice it a little bit.

So how did I go a little bit further? I was like, let me do a stunt. And so I said, I am funding. And of course, you know, you have to have some money to do this, this version of it.

But you could really, David Blaine puts his body through torture. I put some money on the line. So what I did was I said, I'm going to put a million dollars in this wallet.

You can go look at the address right now. Here's a million dollars in a wallet. And then I'm going to try to turn this into 10 million through trading crypto.

And this is like, um, you know, Dave from Barstool does this with his David Day trader, uh, you know, Jason Calcana started to copy that and do J trader. Like people try to do a version of this where it's like, watch me try to run this bank roll up. I learned this from back in the poker days.

I used to love when anyone would do this in the gambling or poker space. And they'd be like, I'm starting with this bank roll. I'm either going broke.

I'm going to this level. I'm getting to this milestone. And here I'm going to post all of my history.

And it never works out, but it's really fun to watch. And that's what I figured. And that's exactly what happened.

I managed to turn a million dollars because we bought it like, you know, P crypto into what became like $350,000 at the bottom. And then now it's a little bit higher, but, um, basically it's like, watch me lose money. But either way, watch me lose money is also entertaining.

People will subscribe to watch me get my ass kicked. They'll watch, they'll subscribe to watch me kick ass. And even better, they'll subscribe to find out whether I get my ass kicked or whether I kick ass.

And the other version of this is people call it now build in public.

SPEAKER_03
People do that before that buffer and convert kit. Did this stuff where they would share like all their team salaries, they would share all their teams revenue, uh, or the company's revenue. And it tends to work.

I remember this guy named Pat Flynn from smart passive income. He was one of the first guys to do this. He would share his monthly revenue and where it all came from.

And I would go there every month to see like what he was doing. And it totally worked.

SPEAKER_01
The at the extreme access works, but I think the other one is calling your shot or, uh, basically creating a storyline. So it's basically like, what is the story? There's the hero. They have a goal and they have an obstacle.

And then there's some stakes. There's, there's something on the line. And I think that's the way to like juice that up.

So it's not just I'm going to build in public. So I'll, I'll provide a monthly update. It's, I'm going to try to do X.

And if I don't do X, you know, like there's a, there's a, like, I'm putting something on the line trying to get there. And I'm going to try to do this incredible thing, not just inch my way forward. You know, if I said, Hey, I'm, um, you know, I'll show you, you know, my, you know, some of the things I'm investing in, that'd be okay.

But to say, I'm going to try to turn a million dollars into 10 million dollars. And to 10 million or go bust that people want to watch more. And so, you know, I think the David Blaine spectacle method is another one.

SPEAKER_03
I want to see you do that with your second trip to the strip club. Building public, bro.

SPEAKER_02
I'm going to order as much food and free water as I can until they take me out of

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the strip club. Can I make it over or under six hours before they realize this guy's just here for the fries.

SPEAKER_03
All right, we got to end there. That's the pod. I feel like I can rule the world.

SPEAKER_00
I know I could be what I want to put my all in it like no days off on the road. Let's travel never looking back.

SPEAKER_03
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