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Welcome into the bank to November 14th, Tuesday night. Joining by my colleagues, Jamie Seek and Kyle Andrews. A couple of days out from the Ravens losing to the Cleveland Browns at home and a couple of days prior to the Ravens hosting the Cincinnati Bengals on Thursday night.

Jamie, recap the frustration from you felt from Sunday's loss to the Browns. Where were you Sunday?

SPEAKER_02
I was sitting in section 537. I guess it's a tragically funny anecdote. I attended the game with a friend.

We had not been to a game together since 2004. Sadly, the game we went to in 2004 was against the Bengals when the vaunted Ravens defense blew a 17.4th quarter lead, allowing 24 points to the Bengals.

And we had to lose him by a field goal at the buzzer. So very similar circumstances. But as far as frustration goes, I mean, it's going to sound cliched.

It's going to sound like coach speak, but the other team gets paid too. Cleveland Browns are doing everything they can to try to win the football game. And hats off to the Browns.

There was a bunch of times where they could have rolled over. They didn't. They stayed patient.

They stuck with the run, sticking with the run, allowed them to control the clock. And they dominated time of possession. They wore down the Ravens defense.

That really showed up in the fourth quarter. And ultimately the Ravens ended up falling short. It doesn't really change the way that I'm looking at the team.

They're still one of the best teams in the NFL, one of the top two, three teams in the AFC, which is how I felt going into the game. So I would have preferred they won, but I'm not overly frustrated. I don't think anything really dramatically came out of this game.

That makes me feel differently about the ball clubs.

SPEAKER_04
Kyle echoing James points games can kind of just swing on a turnover or play here and there. Jamie and I were talking off the air that if the Ravens somehow find a way to win the game, you know, the narrative is a little bit different, but it really doesn't change what we saw. Just kind of recap your thoughts from Sunday.

SPEAKER_01
So I would say more or less, you know, my biggest concern about Sunday was just that, you know, they just didn't finish. And I mean, that's happened a handful of times this season. It's happened a handful of times over the past couple of seasons.

And I think that's kind of rearing its ugly head. I'm not, I don't necessarily think that this is the end all be all. I don't think it'll ruin the season or anything, but I also believe that, you know, because of things like that, you leave wins off the board, you allow yourself to not have, you know, home field advantage was out, which I feel like is important going down the stretch.

I think, you know, the bank when it's when it's packed, we all know how, you know, crazy it gets. And I think that you want to be able to play in that situation. You know, you know, you can play, you know, on the road and arrowhead where it's, you know, it's going to be like 22 degrees and the wind swirling and, you know, all those loud fans in there, they're breaking all the decibels and, you know, Lamar can't hear anything.

And I think, you know, I, it's not even necessarily that I think that it's just, I'm not just going to sit here and be like, all right, well, it's, it's all over because I think part of it has to do with injuries. And let's look at the tackle positions when you don't have Morgan Moses against, you know, Zidarius Smith and without Zidarius Smith and yeah, but when you don't have Morgan Moses without Zidarius Smith or against the Zidarius Smith and Miles Garrett, I mean, what, what do you expect? And then when Ronnie Stanley goes down and that just makes it a hundred times worse. So, you know, if those guys can get healthy, I think they'll be in a better situation.

SPEAKER_04
Yeah, I think it's a fair point on the finishing. Also the impact overall, I talked about, you know, where you're going to finish seeding wise, what that path looked like trying to get those home playoff games. Obviously you're in the AFC North where you got currently all four teams making the playoffs and the AFC.

So if the Ravens were to lose Thursday night, we'll get to that game later. You know, it completely changes where you could potentially be finishing and what that path could look like. But let's still stick on the idea about why aren't they finishing these games? Obviously the three losses they've had this year, each being games the Ravens have blown in the fourth.

Kyle, what stands out to you? Why haven't they been able to close these games out?

SPEAKER_01
I think the biggest reason why they haven't been able to close games out is because, you know, this one specifically, I think they just got away from running the ball. And I think if you keep the clock going, you know, we know this is the best run offense in the NFL. I mean, that's a given.

So I think when you stop running the ball, you saw the time possession, I think they, you know, it happens. And I think that's what Harbaugh was saying a little bit earlier on Monday was just that they got away from it just because, you know, I guess it wasn't in the game plan with Keaton Mitchell. They just haven't given them enough touches for, I guess, for Harbaugh to trust them.

But I think in that situation, you just got to appeal to band-aid off. Just call it what it is. And, you know, if you need them, you need them.

You got to use him and Gus. Even if you didn't want to use Keaton Mitchell, I mean, Gus Edwards is a batter and ram. So I think they should have kept the ball on the ground in that situation.

Thinking of other games, they just couldn't get points on the board. I mean, a Steelers game, that was just, yeah, no points got put on the board. That hurt them in a very bad way.

And I think that, you know, the Titans game, they got to score more too. So you score more points, you win the football game. That's just a given.

I think this defense is good enough that typically if you score 31 points, you're not going to lose. So, I mean, it's not, I don't think the defense played poorly by any means. I just think that they got worn down, just like Jamie said earlier.

So, you know, I'll take this one with a grain of salt. It happens.

SPEAKER_04
Jamie, bit of a wild card. I missed that quarter to Cobb's alluding to from Harbaugh. Well, maybe some people would like the accountability there, or at least somewhat we're saying, hey, this is honestly what happened.

I guess my first reaction is you're the head coach. If you see that your offense is not calling enough running plays, why aren't you overruling the coordinator and getting in there and saying, reminding, we do have Gus.

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Well, I mean, well, couple things there. I mean, first of all, Gus did get 11 carries and he averaged 2.2 yards per carry.

So he did get the ball. He wasn't effective. Zitler also went down in this game.

The Browns dominated the line of scrimmage. The Ravens run game was really buoyed by Mitchell's, you know, big touchdown run, which was phenomenal, by the way. But I had commented on Sunday seeing that live and the way that he not only hit the hole, but turned the corner and then just outran the safety who had the angle.

It's one of the most incredible things I've ever seen on a football field. I couldn't believe he scored on that. It just shows how fast the kid is.

But funny enough, the play calling balance was pretty even when you had Lamar's runs in there too. I have to look at it. It was pretty darn close to 50-50.

I think it was like 23 passes and like 24 runs. But you can correct me on that if you're in front of a computer. The problem for me was when we talk about, well, talking about hardball then going back to that, it seems like it should be pretty, you know, elementary, pretty self-evident that, again, you're the head coach.

So you should be able to dictate things. With that said, I'm not going to pretend to know what it's like to administer a football game for those three and a half hours of probably utter chaos on Sunday. I'm sure as the head coach, you're leaning on your coordinators to do their job and their position coaches to support them and everything.

I would think as a head coach, though, you can look and say, hey, 34 is not in this personnel group. He's been on the bench a lot. Why can't we get him out there more? I know enough to say I don't know.

So, again, maybe hardball could do better, but maybe there's more to it. I just don't know the answer to that.

SPEAKER_04
Well, there is always more to it. And I like your point with, hey, Gus, Yarch Prokary was struggling. The line was having multiple injuries.

Cleveland's defensive front was getting a consistent push there. But what about the adjustment of, you know, you know, you need to run the ball. You need to be controlling time.

Well, why aren't you bringing in the extra tight end sets?

SPEAKER_02
Well, yeah, they definitely use Ricard to chip here and there. I don't know what the exact stats were, but just from an observation standpoint, I was noticing how often Ricard was shifting to the side where Miles Garrett was to chip. Since Cleveland was really controlling the line of scrimmage and between the tackles wasn't working, it was really screaming for some Keaton Mitchell outside runs.

Get him on the edge. You know, let's take advantage of Smith and Garrett wanting to be aggressive and get up the field. But that's literally on that touchdown.

They ran the draw play right at Miles Garrett. He ran himself out of the play. Aggressive defensive ends are going to do that.

You've got to take advantage of that. I think that I got the feeling and again, this was just kind of a feeling about it that they wanted to emphatically put the Browns away. And you do that being aggressive, moving the ball through the air.

And I don't know why and I don't even know if that's correct. That's just kind of the vibe I got. I think that's actually was could have been an opportunity to try to grind it out.

But I think given the fact that and again, you can't take away a run. But if you take away that 39 yard run, probably averaging close to three yards of carry, maybe a little bit under. So the running game just wasn't there.

So they were trying to move the ball through the air. And on the interception that ended up being the pick six that was needed. And it was a very big play in the game.

First of all, it was an out route to Patrick Picard, which is a little depressing because I thought we took that play out of the playbook. But it was supposed to be a cut block to take down the defensive end so you could throw that out route and McCarrick's didn't execute it properly, which allowed the defensive end to get his hands up to deflect that ball. So but bringing it all back full circle when you talked about not being able to finish these games, it's kind of been something different each game.

I think the indie game and the Pittsburgh game were similar in that the offense really sputtered in those games. Failed to extend, you know, finish drives extend drives couldn't put points on the board. The defense played really well in both of those games on Sunday.

Yes, the offense did falter. But the defense was its own worst enemy and that couldn't stop the run and then gave up too many big plays over the middle of field. And I'm sure we've I don't know if you've heard a little bit of the Scuttlebutt about this is the first game.

Marcus Williams was back in a couple of weeks and the middle of the field was a huge problem. Williams can't tackle anybody right now. And, you know, God bless him for trying to play through this pec injury, but he's a liability and they're going to have to make a decision on him, whether it's and he played all but one snap.

And a guy with one arm can't be playing playing safety. He can't tackle anybody. He's not his range isn't the same.

It's not something's wrong and they're going to have to do something about it because it's going to continue to be a problem if he continues to get this many snaps.

SPEAKER_04
Interesting point about Marcus Williams that makes a lot of sense to me. Going back to your other point about Ravens wanting to throw the ball there also makes sense. I think that's what I saw.

On the other hand, the same reason they were having trouble running the same reason they were going to have trouble passing the you know more wasn't having time. So everyone has to be a quick hot raid you've talked about their struggles in the in the screen game but you've got to get rid of the ball like there in that sense. And of course if you're running, even if you're not effectively getting yards clock is moving so you have to.

You've got to be completing passes and using the clock as part of the part of the advantage there. Multiple points and like you said there's been multiple stories and three losses they are seven and three. One of the reasons just kind of answer my own initial questions one of the reasons Sunday was frustrating if you're a Ravens fan is that there are signs that the Ravens are one of the among the elite teams.

And it seems like every time when they get close to that. What's considered the hierarchy within the NFL top of the hierarchy, they kind of get kicked back down the mountain a little bit but steps at a time will see if they can overcome that so as we're just learning to there the Ravens maybe one of eight teams that have real Super Bowl operations. Simultaneously one wonders if they can string together multiple games against quality teams about self inflicted wounds Jamie.

You know, this is just re ask asking you to reiterate what you said at the top you still you still believe in the roster overall.

SPEAKER_02
Absolutely there's that doesn't Sunday didn't change anything. And again like to your point if the you know if the the always strip sack ends up in a Ravens hands and the Ravens win. They're eight and two, but it doesn't change that the Browns gouged them in the running game and it was a close game where they had a big lead and it got near too close for comfort.

But the talent is there. It's we've seen flashes and then putting it all together the defense is still very good. The offense has the potential to be very good and has flashed.

And when you look around the league. There's there's no team in the AFC that's complete and running away with it. Again, frustrating loss in that you rather win than lose, but it doesn't change who this team is.

It just makes the only thing it really does is it makes Thursday nights game. Not that it wasn't important if they won, but it makes it more important and this is about as close to a must win game as you can have in November in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04
Kyle, the only team that I've seen that I feel at their best is definitively that I feel is really better San Francisco, who I think is the best, the best team but I feel like the Ravens have a more than a puncher chance. Overall, this kind of, I guess I'd be lying. No, if I said I don't have some questions about their ability to be clean enough in multiple games.

Against quality teams, I guess that's my my question that I want to see down stretch where you have that.

SPEAKER_01
Well, so it's interesting because I think at the beginning of the season, I think, you know, we were kind of like on this train of we think that the Ravens are 12 and five team. And I think that kind of trending that way. I think if they if they can beat the Bengals on Thursday, which I think will be huge for their confidence.

You go down the stretch. You got the chargers away. You got the Rams at home.

You got the Jaguars on the road. 49ers that's got to be a big game. Dolphins is another big game Steelers.

You got to get up for it. And I think that they are they are up for it. But I mean, I think it would be very reasonable to say that the Ravens will lose potentially two more games.

But I mean, they can win three more. So I think, you know, they're kind of on track of where I thought they'd be at the beginning of the year. You know, I don't think they've exceeded expectations, but I definitely don't think they've, you know, not been.

I mean, I don't think that they've not reached their expectations so far through the season. Now, the question is, what will they do during the playoffs? And I think as long as they can win the division, which is still within reach, you know, you still can beat the Bengals twice. You can still beat the Steelers twice.

It doesn't it's not the end of the world, I think. I mean, you go you go five and one in the division. Anybody would take somebody told you at the beginning of the season that the Ravens would go five and one to win.

I mean, in the division, they'd win the division and they go 12 and five. I'm not sure everybody would be jumping for joy. So, you know, while I might say multiple times that I think that the losses have been baffling, I still think that, you know, they're about right where they are.

Or because that I think this is a very good team now. I think to be great. You know, it has to be some surprises.

You got to beat the 49ers on Christmas night. You know, you got to go and steal Christmas from the 49ers. I think that that makes you an elite team.

That truly makes you an elite team. I think this team, like I said, is a very good team. But I think that they need to take that next step and, you know, maybe that next step just goes from guys playing above their means or consistently playing above their means.

And I think that's the missing key right there outside of Geno Stone and Keaton Mitchell. They might be the guys that get you to that next step. So, you know, if Keaton Mitchell can break that open and, you know, he becomes more of a piece of this offense, I think that the Ravens go to that next level.

SPEAKER_04
Yeah, for me, the next level is just kind of really weak to weak consistency down the stretch where you kind of know exactly what you're getting. But good thoughts there. I think we're agreed that, you know, the Ravens certainly are.

They're in the mix, you know, heading into week 11 here. It's all about how they finish got chance finished four and two in the division got this important game with Cincinnati Thursday night. Going back to Sunday we saw injuries scares with Humphrey and Stanley looks like both are going to be okay but man, it just certainly scared you for a second losing either for significant time obviously would have real impact.

Just curious who would be, would you be more concerned about losing Kyle.

SPEAKER_01
I'll say this I definitely be very concerned about who's in Ronnie Stanley if it was the case I mean, you know, because for me I'm, I'm always going to tell everybody I think the most important feel a point of player on the field outside of the quarterback is your left tackle. If you don't have a great guy on your blindside or you know, a more than serviceable guy on your blindside I think even the best of quarterbacks, they struggle and we've seen that in the past with, you know, Joe Burrow, you look right across the field on Thursday, and Joe Burrow struggled when he did have, you know, a strong offensive line he had to run for his life. Obviously, his rookie year he tore his ACL because of it, not not great protection for him.

And I just think that, you know, you got to that to me I think that's the biggest key you have to have a great offensive line to when I think a Super Bowl or a very good offensive line, especially in today's NFL and Ronnie Stanley is the nexus of it all.

SPEAKER_04
Jamie, agree with Kyle or would you lean to Humphrey?

SPEAKER_02
I agree with Kyle's and more simply put because of lack of tackle depth. I think on, you know, you much rather have more than Humphrey in the lineup than not have him in the lineup. And, excuse me, cornerback has shown to be a pretty deep position all of a sudden where we thought it was thin but with the play brand and Stevens and, you know, kind of Arthur Millette, Darby and all these other guys this kind of collection of, you know, this was the hole has been greater than the sum of the parts in the secondary for sure.

So whereas on the one with tackle, like, you know, you can play McCary at tackle if Moses is helping out play right tackle, but then you get into some trouble if that's if Moses can't go and then you got to play file lay lay and I don't know if he's more comfortable left to the right side and the Ravens just add a tackle to the practice squad to so that shows you that they're a little bit concerned about their tackle depth. So all things considered, I had, if I had to choose one of them to be out I'd take Humphrey being out over Stanley.

SPEAKER_04
Jamie. The other day Mitchell Edwards Hill they combined for 16 carries. I was going to ask what's the ideal amount of carries for this true or weekly, obviously, part of that question is how many snaps you're getting off but you know, in general, what would you like to see from.

SPEAKER_02
Going forward, I would now again, I think there's this is always going to be with the caveat that there's going to be game situations that are better going to dictate, you know, maybe this guy being used or this guy being used or there is also the possibility of just riding the hot hand. But if I was going to go in and draw it up, I want to see Keith Mitchell get 50% of the carries going forward, Gus get 35% and he'll get 15% roughly something like that. So you so imagine if you're getting 30 carries, you know, I'd like to see Keaton get 15 of them Gus get 10 and then he'll get five if that's about the right breakdown.

I think that having a guy with real with real speed and elusiveness as a running back is something that could really take this offense to the next level. Plus, we saw Keith Mitchell make a big play in the screen game. I know that's not necessarily the question as you're talking about carries, but to have a guy that can also make plays in the passing game is huge and it also doesn't tip your hand with what you're going to do.

I feel like tendency wise with our personnel groupings, we kind of give it away a little bit because when Justice Hill is on the field, we're passing the ball a lot because he's our best pass protector. And when Gus Edwards is on the field, there's a better than a coin flip chance that we're going to run the ball. And I think Mitchell allows you to not necessarily show your tendency per se plus his speed as a game changer at this point.

SPEAKER_04
Yeah, great point on tendencies, great point in maybe just overall touches versus carries but I guess specifically what I was asking was, how many carries touches do you think this group should have per week? You mentioned if they had 30 but.

SPEAKER_02
Well, well, I think because you got to include because Lamar is always going to be a part of the running game also. So you always have to kind of keep that in mind. But I mean, I think when any given week let's just say 60 snaps, if you're talking about which you know 60 snaps is about right.

It seems that the Ravens have kind of landed in like this 25 to 27 passes scenario so then you figure you're going to be running the ball. So if you're going to be running the ball 33 to 35 times with Lamar carries it five to seven times then I think that group's going to be somewhere in should be somewhere between 25 and 28 carries. I think that's where this team leans that's their tendency.

The Ravens have the most rushing attempts in the league and the least amount of passing attempts so that's the organ no matter how much we wanted to dress up the passing game and pump it up coming into the season. The DNA of the organization is to run the football. So with that in mind I think that the running grab with the running back group should be around 20 you know what between 25 and 30 carries roughly based on 60 snaps.

SPEAKER_04
Kyle is that the number you had in mind.

SPEAKER_01
Yeah I would say so. I mean I don't see why they shouldn't try to balance it out as much as possible. I mean like running the ball you got to run the ball when it gets ugly out you know as time goes on I think 25 to 30 carries a game is what they're going to look at during the rest of the regular season that makes perfect sense from Jamie.

And then I just want to say too like you know if you got this dynamic young running back that you know has fresh legs quote unquote you know why not why not try to try to run off of that and then not to mention like we like we also mentioned you got Lamar taking so many of the carries you know maybe eight nine ten carries a game himself. So you know sometimes Raven might be running the ball 40 times a game and I feel like that you know that might that might be the high end of it but I think in a most reasonable to be about 25 to 30 you know and if they could pound the clock out why not go for 40 you know just run the ball if you're if you're doing it at your best which Ravens have done this season for the most part I think you know we might see them get up to that upper level of 40 carries if it gets too ugly outside.

SPEAKER_04
All right Thursday night another AFC North Clash as we've talked about the Bandels coming in town since and that he had been on a hot streak bro got healthy the offense took off and they had a number of people out Sunday they lost to Houston and CJ Stroud who's not only the run away work of the year but also now getting MVP considerations so doesn't not a horrible loss but it was a missed opportunity for Cincinnati to gain ground on the Ravens but huge game nonetheless Cal preview the Ravens offense first the Bangles defense.

SPEAKER_01
Well number one I know we it was a I guess there was a tweet from someone I can't remember who it was but they talked about how you know trade Hendrickson's gonna be a big part of the game with the banged up offensive one and the Ravens have and a quick turnaround to and you know I mean I don't disagree with them on the fact that you know he could he could become a problem for the Ravens offense. But I do I will also mention to I think that this is a game that you know you can reestablish the run. I think that the run is going to be huge for the Ravens in this game you have to wear down this team who you know as they haven't been known for being the best run stop and defense there is I mean and and that defense isn't you know the old Vontays perfect Bangles defense but you know they're still a formidable bunch I mean but you got to wear them down get that play action pass going get the RPOs going I think that's something that I would have liked to see more from the Ravens against the Browns but you know it couldn't really develop so I mean I get why they couldn't do it and you know another thing too I think that the Ravens can go off of is that that quick pass game to Odell Beckham I mean that huge touchdown that they had you know I think you look at something like that and Odell just blew past everybody you know he got wide open you know use this speed uses acceleration.

I would like to see a little bit more short routes from the Ravens try to get rid of the ball the Mar was getting rid of the ball at a really quick rate. Early on in the season I'm not sure how how quick it is now. But you know if you could get day flowers on a drag route or you know Odell Beckham on a slant or you know these quick quick outs that that they can you know try to exploit the defense I think that's where the Ravens could really excel so I expect to see a lot more of that going forward in this game on Thursday.

SPEAKER_04
Yes more slants please Jamie preview the Ravens defense first bro and company.

SPEAKER_02
Well, the Cincinnati offense is one we're very familiar with the good news for the Ravens is they the Bengals haven't gotten a ton of production out of tight end. And where you know we're talking I mentioned earlier about the middle of the field and some you know maybe some issues Marcus Williams and even though you know Hamilton's been you know matched up when tight ends are in the slot and whatnot always little concerned about the middle of the field. But with with T Higgins still his status is up in the air it's a good chance it looks like doesn't play on on Thursday night so that definitely bodes well for the Ravens.

As far as you know and everything of course goes to Joe borough. He's been better since the calf has got healthier but overall in the year he's definitely down from what you know expectations were his is yards per game his his yards per attempt is air yards per attempt quarterback rating TD percentage are all down his down from his career numbers. So the it's definitely an opportunity of for the Ravens to the Ravens defense to hold this offense down.

Even though again they've been playing better as of late but since Mike McDonald's arrival whatever he's done scheme wise to slow down the Bengals offense has been it's been very effective so hopefully we see that continue. He did a lot more zone coverage and and mix some some coverages and it looked like it kind of was like bro didn't trust what he's seen in the three games last year when the Ravens faced them and you know earlier the year. The game was close but it bangles of course had the punt return.

So I don't think the game was as close to score indicated but also bear in mind you know borough is dealing with the calf injury so we're going to see a different Joe borough this time around than last time but both teams coming off coming on you know in on short rest but the Bengals having to travel I think that's a that's a big advantage for the Ravens and I think for the defense in particular being home on Thursday night is one that's in there in the Ravens favor.

SPEAKER_03
So you're calling it an advantage so that leads to you I expect you have the Ravens winning so who wins.

SPEAKER_02
This is a tough one for me because it feels like you know we talk we say this all the time division games are weird. Thursday night football games are even weirder because quite frankly it's usually just a bad product. But I think that the bad loss on Sunday and the quick turnaround is if there was a good time to have a bad loss.

It was Sunday because I think being able to turn the page quickly and focus on Cincinnati is going to bode well. I am going to go I'm going to lean Ravens and I'm going to say 27 24 I think it's going to be a very close game with this in mind and I wanted to mention this but I couldn't really working in any other questions. For some reason the fourth quarter has been where Lamar Jackson is struggled with turnovers his his interception percentage is the highest of any quarter in the fourth quarter.

Now again not always his fault but if Lamar can take care of the ball in the fourth quarter that will swing the game in the Ravens favor.

SPEAKER_01
Kyle who wins and why I think that the Ravens when it's going to be a 24 20 when in my opinion I think that the Ravens get that big stop in the fourth quarter defensively. But I think it's going to start from running the ball I mean if you run the ball well you keep the time of possession and your favorite defense plays well. Get a couple of turnovers here there get a couple of stops some you know punny for three and outs and I think that's what the Ravens do best and like Jamie said there's going to be a quick turnaround.

I think the Browns losses out of sight out of mind if you're if you're an NFL player you're not going to dwell on a loss for that long especially when you got another game in four days like you're not even going to sit on it. And you know now it's only two days away and I can guarantee you that as soon as they got home from that Browns game everybody you know took took a they went to sleep. Harbaugh probably talked about it on Monday at Nausium.

You know it is what it is but after that I mean I I know that they're preparing for the Bengals. You know that's the team that they're hungry to beat Lamar wants to beat Joe Burrow. I mean that's it to me that's the new Flacco brotha's burger right there.

And I think that you know just like Joe Flacco got up for those games against the Steelers I think Lamar is going to get up for that Bengals game and I know he's going to prepare. You know I think that this team isn't a team that's going to dwell or rest on its laurels they want to be better than what they are in eight and three. Hey that's that's a hell of a start to the season if they if they can keep that up.

I mean I don't see why that you know that to me looks like a pretty that's a pretty good record right there. So I see you know the Ravens winning this game 24 to 20 just because of you know out of out of sheer spite honestly they just want to pull they want to they want to prove it to them so.

SPEAKER_04
I like that out of sheer spite. Yeah as you guys both said it's kind of nice after Sunday's lost to have the quick turnaround to this game Thursday night. It's a huge game for the Ravens.

We'll say if you lose the end you lose a second straight divisional home game the wait until the following game on November 26 going to feel like several years so get this win get eight and three get that season sweep first Cincinnati and being the driver's seat for the last remainder of the year but at home not a division game it's a it's a great opportunity for the Ravens will see if they can take advantage so good stuff from these guys Jamie Kyle check out their work and their thoughts at the site Baltimore Sports and Life.com Come and join the discussions Ravens NFL join game for Red Thursday night. Enjoy the week thanks for listening we'll be back next week take care.