SPEAKER_02
Alright guys, holy shit. We just got done with an epic conversation with Lee Gary Vee and it was just about as insane and mind-blowing as I expected it to be.
SPEAKER_03
I mean, he underpromised Overdelivered to be honest. He went, we talked about Web3, we talked about where things are going, but honestly, most importantly, we talked about how to train your mind to outperform and to live a happy life.
SPEAKER_02
He gave some really tactical insights on how to do it and his process of going and figuring things out to go make those predictions. So if you don't mind me, I'm going to go run and go through a brick wall over here in the corner and we will catch you guys for this episode. Enjoy it.
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SPEAKER_03
Cheers. Cheers. By the way, we are drinking tequila, Gary.
Full disclosure.
SPEAKER_00
That fires me the fuck up.
SPEAKER_02
Como's tequila, fire it the fuck up.
SPEAKER_03
So we're going to be as unfiltered as we can possibly be.
SPEAKER_02
It's Art Basel, Miami. Can't believe you're not down here. You got to come back tomorrow.
SPEAKER_00
I'll be there tomorrow.
SPEAKER_02
Oh, man, we just missed you. All right. Well, we'll see you out tomorrow night then.
We'll look forward to it. We'll cheers.
SPEAKER_03
So, Gary, you've been consistently right at predicting where things are going. And now, we've been following VFRIEND since the beginning. We love the project so much.
What got you into NFT communities in this whole Web3 world?
SPEAKER_00
Basically, an incredible combination of my entire life. Like I'm in my office. Obviously, I put out a lot of content so people have seen this.
Like I've been collecting things my whole life, right? Sports cards. It's just who I am. Wine collecting.
And I've been, you know, at the forefront of consumer trends. And so there's videos of me in 2010 talking about virtual currency and FarmVille and, you know, just a brouhaha of events, culminating with the explosion of sports cards again, which kept me even closer to collectibles. COVID allowing for a lot of interesting behaviors to pop up.
Natural things that were happening like Roblox and Fortnite and NBA, 2K and Madden skins. And I've just been watching the digital thing, being an early investor in Ethereum, and really just seeing NBA top shot and crypto punks happen and did my 30, 40 hours of homework on the current state of NFTs. Not what I knew about crypto kitties in 2017.
And basically did what I do all the time, whether that was Snapchat or TikTok or Musically or podcasting or to your point, I'm very fortunate at this point to have a reputation of being solid and having a sense of what's happening. And that's what happened to me. I thought NFTs were going to happen and they've happened.
And the way I've learned my whole career is by doing. And so I knew I had to have my own project. I've been working on a toy brand called workplace warriors for a long time.
And that in essence was V friends. So it wasn't hard for me to take these characters like patient panda and empathy elephant and turn them into an NFT project instead of a collectible toys project. So I'm incredibly excited to be at the forefront of this stuff.
And NFTs for me are an opportunity for human beings to create economies and economies are healthy when you bring value to the economy. And I'm very good at bringing value to my constituents. And that is my plan with this project.
SPEAKER_02
Can you I just want to double down on one thing you said right there. Sorry. So you said like the 30 to 40 hours of homework you did. What is your process.
So many people would benefit from hearing this. Like when you get excited about a new idea you're a very curious person. Everything I've always listened to and read about you is just like you're innate curiosity is very real.
How do you go do that 30 40 hours of homework. Like do you have a special way that you go into that rabbit hole to figure something out.
SPEAKER_00
Yeah. First it's the mental commitment. Right. It's like doing this. Right. So it starts with mental commitment because my time is valuable. Everyone's time is valuable.
My time is valuable because of the opportunities I have other people's time is valuable because people perceive their time is valuable. So people don't like wasting time on something that's a fad. I've always used humility and curiosity to say an intuition to say OK.
There's something here when it's something as new as NFTs. I start with YouTube because I don't read well but I listen well and watch well. So it was literally like NFTs.
101 videos. You know and then I then it was very heavy Twitter search which led me to realizing people were very very aggressively active on discord. So then I joined a bunch of discords and then listen to podcasts read a ton of Twitter hours and hours of Twitter conversations.
I had hypotheses. Googled those hypotheses. Googled the counterpoint to those hypotheses.
That's important. I'm very careful to not get caught in the eco chamber. I'm almost like a I'm a boxer.
I'm a counter puncher. Right. I I want to know the alternative. The right click and save the bad for the environment.
The fads like I want to know every counterpoint. It's what keeps me from going in on things. It's why I'm not loud about everything.
It's why I can be quiet. We're talking about the same thing for a year and a half. It means nothing's come along that is worthy of my reputational risk to get loud about.
SPEAKER_03
So that that's my process. Let's talk about failure for a second. I know how bullish you are on NFTs.
I'm you know we're both super bullish. How does NFTs fail.
SPEAKER_00
You know is there a world where this just doesn't pan out. No. But that's the macro. That says if you ask me this question in 1996 about the Internet.
Right. Com failed. 99% of the projects on the open seat top rankings top 200 right now are incredibly vulnerable against evaluation.
Let me say that place in slow 99% and by the way for everybody's watching but that's 90% or 93% or 99% like our majority of I'm going to do it right now in real time. I'm going right now to open seat. I'll pull it up to yep.
I'm going to rankings. I'm doing last. I'm going to do all time.
I'm going to do last 30 days. All chains when I look at you know even the icons like board Ape and crypto punks like doodles great project chain runners super interesting cool cats cryptos I love Gremlin cyber conks killing an artifact had their monster drop the little has some momentum right now. Right. Swap versus a cute little one that I'm pretty hot on me bits an iconic one from the crypto punks comic doing everything right lately and structurally in my opinion, v friends my own creature world I've been on the record of what I think about Danny called lazy lions really like the community. Every one of the things I just mentioned vulnerable.
You know why because they're too valuable right now. Right. But but guess what, in what I just mentioned, there's an eBay and Amazon in 1999. The problem is the progress.
SPEAKER_02
The progress is pointing up. And if you go and bet on the space the macro. It's headed in that direction.
SPEAKER_00
Does this block chains that do affirmation of ownership and contracts is here for the rest of everyone's life. Right. It's here. So what is the right way then for slowly when people say or NF power NFTs.
I say stuff the animals stuff the animals have been here to stay for the last 200 years. Not every stuffed animal company has turned out well. Beanie babies was a fad strawberry strawberry shortcake my little pony have been iconic garbage cabbage patch kids iconic in some ways Disney stuff.
Other things you know the wastles had a good year stuffed animals were here to stay not every stuffed animal toys and collectibles are here to stay. Not every toy and collectibles was worth money art is here to stay sports cards are here to stay not every sports card NFTs are here to stay for the rest of our lives. The the far majority of projects in this gold rush cannot maintain their value because the supply of NFTs that are coming into the market is extraordinary.
SPEAKER_02
So how do we create. I totally agree with you I think and I think it's like a great analogy that you're making to the dot com burst as an example pets dot com and the way I think about it is like OK if I'm a normal person then what I want to do is I want to invest in the Nasdaq like I just want to invest in the index of the entire thing because I know that it's headed that way and it's going to be amazing and there's a great you mean a theory.
SPEAKER_00
Yeah so that's the question I have for you but it is a theory of Yahoo and is going to win the first seven years of search and is is Solana going to come is it Solana is the theory of is it something we don't know. The answer is. You can diversify I'm sitting on E.
I'm sitting on other currencies I'm buying a ton of different NFTs. The reason I wanted to NFTs more than currency is my theory is if a theory and loses I can bridge over my crypto punks right. So to me the NFTS that class feels in a lot of ways like an easier bet if you feel like you really know which NFTs you want to invest in.
SPEAKER_02
But then you kind of need a way to do that because not everyone has your specific knowledge base or your ability to understand all the nuance and go and learn it. They're going to be people my parents as an example they might want to participate in this growth so that they can benefit from it in their retirement.
SPEAKER_00
Your parents will participate leisurely because they have a son who's going to be like hey you should buy this one or to your point they'll buy Bitcoin or Ethereum or or maybe in a year Solana or something else. That's going to be it like like what people you guys are youngsters what I learned in 9567892 thousand 2001 with Wine Library was at first everybody told me nobody would ever buy wine on the Internet. Like at all.
So that was where we're at now. NFTs are stupid right click all that right. It's so funny.
I have a lot of friends in her 40s and 50s who became their parents. People that don't understand NFTs that make that joke are the same people that didn't get a cell phone because they like their pager.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah it's easier to hate on NFTs on NFTs I think then to embrace it for the vast majority.
SPEAKER_00
Everyone hated on the iPhone over the Blackberry. Everybody hated on cell phones over pagers. Everybody hated on websites over newspapers like again you guys are young enough that you haven't been through enough cycles.
You know it you read it I read about home computers. That's how I projected the Internet. But like it's just super clear like people hate on all big shifts.
Because they don't understand it.
SPEAKER_02
So how do you figure out what you mentioned your process of learning about the one once you once you kind of start to have that inkling. Do you just surround yourself or talk to the smartest people you know to figure out what are they excited about what are they working on on the weekend so that you can then go learn about those things like how do you actually get that first spark of curiosity.
SPEAKER_00
Either a random tweet comment on my social cold email because of where I am in my career or to your point. No question Kevin Rose one of the smarter consumer Internet people I know when we were talking about X-Man comics and Jordan rookie cards when he said hey do you know what a crypto do you have a crypto punk and I said I'm not sure what that is. And he said you remember crypto case I was like of course like I'd already known about Top Shot I met Rohan a couple months before Top Shot launched.
I knew NFTs were brewing. I was busy. It was the holidays last year.
Last year was still very hardcore covid so I was trying to navigate my company. But as soon as he said that I'm like you know what I'm going to dig in a little bit deeper. And so yes.
And what's been really ironic whether it's Dave Moran whether you know it's Kevin Collar in whether it's MSG or. Harper Green or you know Aaron Battalion you know Scott Belsky Mike Lazarow all these people that succeeded in Web two right. That I respected and thought were thoughtful miraculously.
In January February are all circling around like buzzards. I'm getting a text from friends that I haven't talked to in six months six years because we've all been a little bit out of the white hot moment of 2007 to 11 of Web two. Sure enough.
Even even people that aren't in it right now that are a little bit more discreet which is why I'm not going to mention them. Who really made some serious wins in Web two even they reached out in February March and say they're kind of demotivated or focused on other things but even they were like what is this thing. You could see the spidey senses of the people that really understand when shit changes and then a couple of icons again I won't mention them who really didn't get it and came back to me in the last six to eight weeks and said fuck.
And I remember like being disappointed in them like oh I lost they lost their edge or they don't give a shit or or one of two things they got soft because they have too much money or the better version. They made so much money they're on to fixing the environment or the political system they went out to risk it right so you know it's it's really fun to watch humans evolve. But yes keeping people again when you guys get to my age you've got that extra generation you're going to have your whole little crew of the people you've decided over this decade are smart are good.
And you'll find it fascinating in 20 years when the next thing pops up you'll be surprised how many of them are like it's been a renaissance for some of my good friends of web two and we're enjoying it because it feels like the old days right you can. You can it feels like web two ohs beginning when nobody understood social media and content that's exactly what's happening with NFTs.
SPEAKER_03
Did you did you follow Aaron Levy in real time transitioning from like an anti web three guy to like the most pro web three guy in the span of like 72 hours.
SPEAKER_00
You know Aaron was never really we were never in each other circle heavy obviously connected through many different people but never really we never really got to chop. So between that and just you know how much information is being thrown around usually I find myself in seeing that I missed that but it makes so much sense right like all of us have to go through it. It's like look I invested in a theory of Bitcoin in 1516 I kind of glanced at crypto kiddies I didn't buy one.
You know you're in what you're in and you get busy and you get your life involves what you're able to capacity do in your late 20s is different as your family grows up and like it you know like. Humility and curiosity will cure success. To be good at this I rely on those things but even for me like there's a million things going on you can't get to everything what I love in what you just said is the humility even with his success to be able to quote unquote evolved in front of everybody and not fear changing his mind because I think changing your mind is a huge strength.
I actually think there's a lot of people right now that are in a really tough spot because they've been very anti NFT. They've had the aha that it's real and they don't have the humility to say they were wrong and they're going to double down on something they don't believe in and I hope they see this clip and it makes them feel comfortable to change their mind.
SPEAKER_03
Yeah so what you're saying is like it's okay to change your mind.
SPEAKER_00
It's a competitive advantage. I'm never scared to say I'm wrong. I didn't see it.
Like like I love that. One thing that's funny about me is I do that all the time. One thing that people would be very confused by hearing because I don't think people should spend the time to really pay attention to me to understand every little nuance.
I never get loud when I'm not at 100%. If I'm at 97%, I won't make a single comment publicly about it until I cross the chasm. That's why you see me get so loud.
It's when I get to 100 musically tick tock Snapchat, you know podcast NFTs. Once I get to 100. There's zero doubt in my mind and I go pot committed reputation on the line.
You should see, I mean you know little VR content there is in the world for me? Because I'm still in 90, I don't have my 100%. So I'm scared to say anything. I don't need to hear.
You understand. There's so much content of me on the internet. You guys know this.
Plenty of people don't love my aggressive communication style and I'm empathetic to that. If I gave people ammo of being wrong a lot, they would fucking make unlimited videos of me being wrong. There's not that many, you know why? Because I don't try to say shit about things I don't know.
SPEAKER_02
You're not Scott Galloway with the predictions on tech companies.
SPEAKER_00
To me that's, you know, I love Scott too and I'm not.
SPEAKER_02
I love him too actually. I think he's amazing.
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I'm scared to do that. I don't want, as a matter of fact, one of, I got very lucky. There's a very funny video of me in a suit by the way, which is rare.
Because I was doing this show the daily when the iPad came out and they asked me to do a prediction show and I fought like hell. I didn't even wear, this is, you were about to get a funny, very nerdy Gary V scoop. I was supposed to wear a tuxedo for the New Year's episode, which I had because I go to weddings, right? But I didn't wear it with the hope that they were going to get upset because they were very professional.
And, and like, let me not do it. That's how much I didn't want to do a prediction show because I'm scared to predict. Ironically, it turned into one of my best moments because I predicted that Facebook was going to buy Instagram and they did the video.
But I don't like predicting. I don't predict. I observe and then I'm emphatic about my observation when it crosses my hundred and one percentile belief chasm, which is fairly rare.
If you look at my content over the last decade, I'm only talking about seven or 10 things. I'm just not willing to be wrong if I can help it.
SPEAKER_03
What do you, what do you, what do you observe around brands and NFTs? So I think it's going to, I'm sorry to rough.
SPEAKER_00
I think it's going to be just like social 90% of front of me garbage. 10% if you remember early brands on social Zappos had a big move on it that worked for them. There were some other brands that did a really nice job.
Then you look at brands that were built from social Jim shark. I just joined the board fashion Nova, another one, you know, like Casper. I mean, we can go on and on with a lot of brands that were built in social, but 90% will be done poorly and 10% will be done awesome.
I, you know, I'm very proud. You're catching me at a funny time. We just launched our, we're working for four months on the Budweiser launch that we had.
And if you look at, you know, it was very strong yesterday because we really know we're talking about to their credit. They really let us do the right thing. And so, you know, Vayner NFT with Avery at the helm.
She's amazing. We're going to do good work and a lot of other companies will pop up and do good work, build equity with brands and just like anything with brands, 90% will be atrocious because it's going to be transactional short term, cheesy tone deaf, not understanding. But I do think you'll see some gems in there and brands have money and leverage and access so they can do some really cool stuff with their smart contracts.
SPEAKER_03
Right. So when we look at, you know, the open C, you know, it's 2026 and we're looking at open C last 30 day sales. When we went through that list.
So it's mostly Web three brands. Do we think, you know, it's going to be 5050, you know, old school brands with Web three brands 7525 any, any insight there?
SPEAKER_00
I think it'll be 10% brands, 20% brands. I think you'll see publishers gaming companies like IP that we right now, the friends board a cool cats IP getting established, but you're going to see Hello Kitty you're going to see the Flintstones. So you can see some icons Harry Potter, you're going to see some new stuff the friends of board a is going to feel like icons because we'll be old by then new shit will pop up brands will be there really social media.
You'll see Jennifer Aniston joined late and get right right Jay Z. And you'll see Charlie deMillion Logan Paul built from there and everything in between.
SPEAKER_02
It makes sense. So the couple like the three pretty actionable things that I'm taking away from here and you talk about this stuff. One is like the importance of skin in the game.
If you're going to go learn something, you've got to put some skin in the game. And that is the best way to learn because suddenly you're like really invested in it to it's like the willingness to just admit you don't fucking know something and not be afraid to admit that and continue to own that until you do know it. And for you like you're saying 97% 96% for some people that might be like, you know, 20% 30% just continuing to say, I don't know, I don't have an opinion on this because I haven't earned the right to have that opinion yet.
And then the third one for me is just like be willing to change your mind and go search for those counter punches the way you put it of the people that just disagree with you that you're like, oh shit, yeah, I'm not actually thinking about that the right way I was flipped completely opposite of how I should have been like those three things to me are really popping out of what you're saying.
SPEAKER_00
I think it's extremely good recap, you know, usually I'm pretty long winded but I don't have much to add to that I think that's the right recap I think. I think I have so much confidence. I have so much conviction, and I have so much energy that what is incredibly difficult to see, unless you're on the inside with me is, I use humility as my biggest core driver.
I'm not scared, because I don't think I'm special. Like, this is really important. I don't think I'm better than any man or woman.
I really don't. I'm aware that I'm professionally successful. I'm aware that I have nice relationships.
So are hundreds of millions of people. I genuinely believe what makes everything palpable for me and others that have something is humility. It's also what grounds you in the ability to innovate.
SPEAKER_02
Yep. Absolutely. So I know we've got a couple minutes left.
I do need to ask you the question of for any listeners out there. I mean, I've taken so much personally from watching you and listening to your different social accounts and things you've been saying publicly for years. Like, what are the two or three pieces of advice, one piece of advice you give to an 18 year old, a 22 year old, and you know, maybe they don't come from the best situation.
They're not. They didn't grow up in a wealthy family. Yeah. Walk me.
SPEAKER_00
That's great. That's great. I love that.
I've been really thinking like, honestly, look at number one. Honestly, no matter. Yeah, no matter what you come from, let me give you one that I think is a secret of life ready for this.
This one blows me away. Not everyone has this. Many don't, but many do.
If you grow up in a family that doesn't have a very big financial bag, middle, call it lower middle class and down and you have happiness in your home. You are winning. If you were trained in the first 18 years of your life, that happiness and joy is not attached to money.
You are unstoppable and you're looking at that person right now. And I realized it when I started seeing patterns. If you're grateful for what you have instead of envious for what you don't have, you will always win.
There will always be somebody with more money. There will always be somebody that's better looking. There is always somebody more athletic, better grades, nicer car.
There always will be. There's also always going to be somebody that's less. There's 850 million people on this earth that do not have access to clean fresh water.
There's nobody watching this video right now that isn't in a remarkable situation compared to the 8 billion. I don't know what else to tell you. Like once you get there, once you really lean into gratitude, everything else clicks.
I'm going to give you another one since it's right here on my desk. Number three is probably leading to the most happiness for me. I don't think our world right now is built on valuing accountability.
We're in full blame mode and that's why so many people are upset.
SPEAKER_02
Personal accountability.
SPEAKER_03
It's huge. Can you talk more about that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
When you don't focus on what you've done wrong and you're in full blame game, when you're in fingers instead of thumbs, you don't feel in control, which then immediately makes you upset. Like if you think it's the government's fault or your teacher's fault or your parents fault or your boyfriend's fault or your girlfriend's fault or your brother's fault or society's fault or Lux's fault. If you think it's something else's fault, you by nature are giving up control.
Giving up control feels very helpless and very desperate. And I feel like accountability makes me happy. I think everything at VaynerMedia is my fault.
Now that's a very overarching thing, but here's where I go with it. If Sally the VP screws up or Rick the VP screws up. Well, I hired the person that hired them.
The end.
SPEAKER_00
And I think that right now because of social media, the mainstream media are social and rest for a decade. It's just fucking, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this lately that the world is very passionate to go blue and red, not just politically, just like how everyone's living their life. Like so much of my happiness comes from purple.
And I've been thinking a lot about that. I think accountability is incredibly important. I really do.
Like what, what have you done? Like, it's almost like, man, you could do anything. Like I love the fact that you can do anything. Like, even if you don't like the country you live in, no matter where you are, Canada, America, Russia, China, you know, and everything in between like, you could immigrate.
My parents did.
SPEAKER_02
This is why I love Web three, by the way, is this exact idea. Like we've now had conversations with some of the most amazing minds and Web three. And one of the things that I just blows me away about everything about it is it doesn't matter if you're a kid on the street in India, my family's from India growing up with nothing.
Or if you're a country club kid growing up in Greenwich, Connecticut, you have access to the internet. And you can contribute and you can be in these communities. You can get in a discord.
You can talk to people. You can build with other people. And the promise of that is so inspiring that it's hard not to get behind it and want to invest in it.
SPEAKER_03
The end. The end. We just, we just spoke to Geo, the co founder of Axie infinity.
And we're like, how did you co found Axie infinity. He's like, I literally joined the discord. And then I became a co founder.
He was mopping floors in the
SPEAKER_00
community. I was like, I was running. Yeah, I joined the discord.
This is a very special time. I hope people take advantage of it. I have to go to a family thing right now.
So I got to go, but it's a special time. Don't miss. You're watching this video.
You're ahead of 99% of the world. Do something about it.
SPEAKER_03
Cheers. Well, we appreciate you, Gary. Thank you so much, man.
See you soon. Cheers.
SPEAKER_02
Legend. I want to go run through a brick wall right now. What an absolute legend.
We're still on. We're still on. Well, he's a total fucking legend.
I was like, I'm sweating. I want to go run through a brick wall.
SPEAKER_03
That was crap. Yeah, especially that ending. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
That ending was really uplifting. Really fires me up, man. That was so cool.
Really, really cool. Takeaways. Oh, geez.
I mean, I summarized it when I was on there, but like for me, the coolest things he said, skin in the game, when he was just saying like one of the first things he does as part of his process as he goes and like puts a little into it to force himself to learn. I'm a big believer in that. Like when we, when you first got me in NFTs, the first thing I did was go and do something stupid.
Like I, I didn't mean to, but I put some skin in the game and I lost a bunch of money on ether lambos. And that was a great learning experience for me. I learned a lot from it.
That's a, that was a great one for me. And then the other two were like kind of connected, but just don't be afraid to say, I don't know about things. I thought that was so cool.
The way he said, he doesn't publicly say something until he's a hundred on it. And then he gets loud. And so people are like, Oh, this guy's loud, but you don't see all the background, all the work he's done to get to a hundred on it.
And then that final one of just like the willing to change your mind is such a powerful concept. And so many people can learn from that because we live in this polarized black and white culture where you're not supposed to change your mind. You're supposed to be, we used to like criticize politicians for being flip floppers.
Personally, I look at that and say, that's actually a pretty powerful thing that someone was able to change their mind on an issue. And so shifting the culture around that and his points on that, I thought we're just so, so astute.
SPEAKER_03
For me, what do you call it, the counter punches? Yeah, I like that. Counter punches. So understand them.
So for example, with NFTs, there's a bunch of counter punch arguments, which is like, it's bad for the environment. It's a Ponzi scheme. Like, so list it out and go actually do the research and try to understand and have a point of view.
And I feel like not enough people, you know, on both sides, like either pro NFTs or or anti NFTs or pro this political party or anti, you know, and all assets aspects of life.
SPEAKER_02
I think we don't do a good enough job at understanding the counter punches. I agree with that. I also think it's because like social media culture has made the like little quick quip.
You get a dopamine hit from that because you do the little like NGMI to somebody that says they don't understand it or they provide a counterpoint. Okay, boomer. No, and people like it and people go like it.
Now you're like, oh, saying NGMI got me a bunch of likes. I'm going to keep doing that. But the reality is when someone says like, Oh, I don't understand how this works.
Nick Huber, our friend, like constantly does that. He questions these different things in Web 3 and crypto. For me, I find it as like personally motivating to then to try to understand why he thinks that and how you can figure it out.
But the natural reaction on social is to just like yell at the person attack. Yeah, attack. And it doesn't do you any good.
Yeah, you actually aren't learning. You're not developing. You're not strengthening your point of view and anything.
You're just ignoring a counter argument to it.
SPEAKER_03
And especially if the counter argument comes from someone you consider intelligent or credible, it's worth listening to. Yeah, I think what I've noticed on places like Twitter is that it feels like everyone is attacking everyone a lot of the times. And it doesn't need to be the case.
Like it's totally cool to ask questions, learn, understand counter punches. So I think, listen, I thought that conversation went really well and it started at Web 3 and I think it ended at life lesson.
SPEAKER_02
So yeah, I mean, I think it's funny for me because like Gary, I've never met him. I know him from his online personas and the things he's done. And I've always admired his energy and enthusiasm around different issues and things he's working on.
But I came away from that just being like, this fucker is the real deal, man. I mean, like I got fired up listening to him. He is motivating.
He's inspiring, but he's also humble and his humility around learning these things and wanting to dive in his track record of getting things right. Once he dives in on things and figuring them out, he's not just some like motivation guy, you know, that's just out there motivating people. Like he is really in the weeds, putting his money where his mouth is diving in on things like in the in the battle in the trenches.
I mean, I was blown away. I love it. I thought it was awesome.
It was awesome. We're looking forward to getting in the community after this. We're going to do our best to get Gary in there with us to jam with everybody.
We'll do a Twitter spaces with him or something like that to go deeper on these things. But holy hell, man, I got to go run through a brick wall.
SPEAKER_03
Same. We're out.
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